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https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582650 Bug 582650: normal, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, use all available space for windows in window selector nedrichards, good question. let me look man, i wish i hadn't spammed that bug so much aday: ;-) aday: the past is a foreign country --> seif (~seiflotfy@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design nedrichards, does that mean i can visit old bugs for my holidays? <-- seif has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) aday: absolutely, but only so long as in doing so you're taken into nostalgic interior raptures a la Proust old bug rapture? not sure how i feel about that anywho nedrichards, the design as we left it was essentially the one we have now, but better ah yes, I feared as much the same, but better --> seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design nedrichards, we've talked about other ideas of course. you got a view on what to do here? aday: I was actually evangelising The GNOME Way™ on a related but different project and remembered your layout options doc, which was quite comprehensive about the tradeoffs aday: so less, "I have something different and better to contribute" and more "I liked that thing you did" --> fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- foser has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) nedrichards, resurrected that image - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5031519/grid-layout-options.png aday: my hero nedrichards, that's predicated on the idea of sticking to a grid mccann wasn't convinced of the benefits of doing that aday: yeah, I can see his point. me too aday: for the thing i'm thinking about a grid is pretty vital though, at least in the short term but it is quite lame for oddly shaped windows indeed i need to return to this --> tacg (~tiago@bl19-179-146.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #gnome-design hopefully i'll get a chance to do some thinking about it as well and we can both have some thoughts and return sounds good. i'll be sorely disappointed if this isn't sorted in 3.4 --> hellpe (~hellpe@83.210.100.84.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- hellpe (~hellpe@83.210.100.84.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design --- cosimoc is now known as cosimoc_afk --> hellpe (~hellpe@83.210.100.84.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design aday, hehe. man you need to add a few frames on that image to get the point across _properly_ :D jimmac, don't know what you're talking about. it's perfect, i tell you just kidding it actually is necessary to have all these but the initial impression was like watching my schoolmate take notes. she would write down the whole lecture on a single sheet of paper it was unbelievably tiny <-- fmuellner has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> darkmatter (~darkmatte@68-69-197-183.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- rodrigo has quit (Leaving) --> mofux (~quassel@p5DDABAE2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design aday, while he applies the hacker tact, patrys does have a point -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/90175672@N00/6515330041 jimmac, yeah it's not that the font is huge <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) but some sort of ellipsization or dropping the nickname needs to be in place jimmac: or even hypenization hyphen even LibreOffice has some libraries here as I remember didn't pango already support that? --> weld (~weld@p57A8270D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design en (~en@117.192.217.145) has joined #gnome-design jimmac: good point <-- jrb has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> kmaraas (~kmaraas@171.23.129.20) has joined #gnome-design mclasen (~mclasen@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- andreasn has quit (Ex-Chat) --> andreasn (~andreasn@c83-254-55-13.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #gnome-design <-- tacg has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) Sound-notification plugin unloaded. --> You are now talking on #gnome-design --- Topic for #gnome-design is doing GNOME design Topic for #gnome-design set by mccann at Wed Nov 23 16:13:35 2011 --> jrb (~jrb@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- aruiz has quit (Remote closed the connection) compnerd_ has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) --> alex (~alex@nat-pool-arn-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- jjardon has quit (Remote closed the connection) So, when running an app maximized (not fullscreen), whats the chance of somehow integrating the titlebar features with the shell panel? --> aruiz (u1739@irccloud.com) has joined #gnome-design compnerd_ (u1002@irccloud.com) has joined #gnome-design jjardon (u723@irccloud.com) has joined #gnome-design --- hughsie is now known as hughsie-afk-lunch alex: what titlebar features ? mclasen: I dunno. Unmaximize, showing title, close window given that we don't have unmaximize on the titlebar now... other than dragging, and you can do that without the titlebar You can unmaximize by dragging How can you do that without the titlebar? alex, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iKMnakR8kw It seems like the maximized title bar uses a lot of space... you can drag on the toolbar as well, or on the remaining frame pixels or super-drag anywhere anyway, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/WindowStates is the current state of thought on maximized-without-titlebar I think we'll have it demoed to today, too cool did you see the question I asked alex_away in #gtk+, btw ? No is your coming to brno confirmed by now ? because i'm at the office ah, that explains you left him at home Its pretty certain, but i guess not 101% poor soul sitting at home all alone <-- felipeerias has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) wondered if you want to put your name on the gtk hackfest participants list ? would be nice to have you around at least some of the time --> lapo (~lapo@94.165.49.245) has joined #gnome-design Yeah, thats the plan --> felipeerias (~femorande@ip242-7-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #gnome-design dneary_ (~dneary@mne69-h01-31-33-19-101.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) has joined #gnome-design marina (~marina@md52436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> elia (~elia@host226-206-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design nitalynx (~anita@95.68.90.243) has joined #gnome-design --- cosimoc_afk is now known as cosimoc --> tacg (~tiago@2.80.179.146) has joined #gnome-design <-- felipeerias has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --- hughsie-afk-lunch is now known as hughsie --> en (~en@117.192.217.145) has joined #gnome-design where are the people who think that google docs is so great ?! how can I get out of overwrite mode ? the damn thing doesn't let me insert a new char how do you enable overwrite mode ? if I knew... <-- en has quit (Remote closed the connection) I just discovered that Shift+Inser = Ctrl+V --> en (~en@117.192.217.145) has joined #gnome-design <-- jjardon has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> jjardon (u723@irccloud.com) has joined #gnome-design mclasen, i hit that once. it (oddly) seemed to be caused by not having the page zoom at 100% jimmac: are you still planning toto mockups for that "wordpad" concept I showed you yesterday ? mclasen, apple keyboard by chance? Fn+Enter is INsert thinkpad mclasen, try ctrl + punch * mclasen just does something else, this is silly <-- nirbheek has quit (Leaving) oh guys how I love yum especially when on a mobile connection --> nirbheek (~nirbheek@117.197.151.34) has joined #gnome-design how much^ lapo: :) <-- fmuellner has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) lapo, want me to post you a disk? might be faster aday, yes please, thanks :-) the usb disk where my dev env is just died... they should write on top of usb disks that if they hit they ground they break, I'll sue wd! uff, I should be in the us for that I need to do some partition surgery on my laptop drive, how nice would be to have online tools for it... wish me good luck, bb(hopefully)l --> owen (~otaylor@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design ah mclasen add the disk dying message to your annoyances list <-- lapo has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design walters (~walters@conductor.verbum.org) has joined #gnome-design jryan (~jryan@inet-hqmc06-o.oracle.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- owen has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) darkmatter has quit (~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~) anyone else with me that the speech bubble in the topright corner of the topbar (belongs to the user menu) feels unbalanced and destroys alignment with the name? maybe the icon would be better with the triangle pointing to the right? (as a additional plus it would connect with the username) --> fmuellner_ (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- fmuellner has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) mofux, not sure it would be recognisable as a speech bubble in other contexts. it's a standard icon the alignment seems ok to me maybe it's just me then mofux, or just me :) --> davidz (~davidz@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design probably a problem with my smaller fonts --> owen (~otaylor@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- kmaraas has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) --> rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- elia has quit (Ex-Chat) owen: any chance you can re-review bug 665617 ? Bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665617 normal, Normal, ---, mutter-maint, UNCONFIRMED, window: Support GTK+'s hide-titlebar-when-maximized hint <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> evandrog (~evandro@c95128d4.virtua.com.br) has joined #gnome-design elia (~elia@host226-206-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner_: so, you're happy with the FRAME_TYPE_BORDER approach? owen: yup --- cosimoc is now known as cosimoc_afk fmuellner_: and that makes the discussion about reset_bg irrelevant? --> felipeerias (~femorande@ip242-7-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #gnome-design (meta_ui_reset_frame_bg) owen: kind of, but I don't think it's fundamentally different from update_frame_style() which replaces it fmuellner_: to make the update_frame_style() is less evil since it's "notify the UI code that the frame style changed" not "do something I don't understand to the bg of the frame, that apparently is needed in this case" ... maybe just that I don't understand reset_frame_bg() <-- emcken has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) fmuellner_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) andreasn has quit (Leaving.) --> kkris (~kris@80-123-35-252.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #gnome-design elad (~elad@93-173-175-208.bb.netvision.net.il) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design bognarandras (~ba@catv-86-101-169-237.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #gnome-design <-- evandrog has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) marina has quit (Leaving) twoerner has quit (Client exiting) --> owen_ (~otaylor@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- shorlander is now known as shorlander-away --> fmuellner_ (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) fmuellner has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> mccann (~jmccann@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- owen has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) walters has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) halfline: can you op the bots please? here and -os and -shell too I guess --- bebot` is now known as bebot --> mclasen (~mclasen@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- dneary_ has quit (Ex-Chat) --- cosimoc_afk is now known as cosimoc --> m_22 (~meg@99-114-194-158.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- hellpe (~hellpe@83.210.100.84.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design Sound-notification plugin unloaded. --> You are now talking on #gnome-design --- Topic for #gnome-design is doing GNOME design Topic for #gnome-design set by mccann at Wed Nov 23 16:13:35 2011 bebot gives channel operator status to jimmac <-- patriciasc has quit (Remote closed the connection) felipeerias has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) elad has quit (why does everyone have an original and funny quit message and I don't?) hadess has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> hadess (~hadess@94-192-232-89.zone6.bethere.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design <-- rodrigo has quit (Leaving) --> andreasn (~andreasn@h-35-39.a336.corp.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design <-- andreasn has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) --> andreasn (~andreasn@h-35-39.a336.corp.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design weld1 (~weld@p57A8515A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design jesmon (~user@static-71-244-114-122.albyny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design stfacc (~stefano@fire.quniverse.sk) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) --> psychoslave (~psy@lec67-3-82-242-207-96.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome-design guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- elia has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) giallu has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) hughsie has quit (Leaving) mccann has quit (Later) --> mccann (~jmccann@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to mccann bebot gives channel operator status to mccann <-- Cimi has quit (Remote closed the connection) fmuellner_ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> Cimi (~cimi@91.189.88.12) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- m_22 has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> m_221 (~meg@99-114-194-158.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #gnome-design Does somebody want to help me design a filtering and sorting UI for EGO? <-- alex has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) mccann, aday: can we have a short session on the search pattern sometime? in general, I would like to have a hangout or something at least once a week. jimmac, +1 <-- Cimi has quit (Remote closed the connection) jimmac, tomorrow would be good for me, or monday/wednesday next week mccann? --> tbf (~mathias@p57BD6EFA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design http://taschenorakel.de/files/libstarred.png http://taschenorakel.de/files/libstarred-favs.png http://taschenorakel.de/files/libstarred/ hi, would like to code drop that widgets into gtk+, but it got pointed out if such widget actually would fit to the grand picture does it? --> twoerner (~twoerner@HSI-KBW-46-237-226-141.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #gnome-design magcius, what's EGO? extensions.gnome.org oh tbf, it depends on where it would be used, i suppose tbf, got a bug? aday: rhythm uses (a bad version of) of that widget for rating songs, other music players have their own widgets and cell renderer aday: got pointed to it by someone wanting to mark stuff in a diving record app tbf, i'm not a big fan of starring myself (for media players at least), it's really up to the gtk+ maintainers though probably also useful for marking mails aday: good that you say staring, how does this fit into google doc's and gnome documents? tbf, ranking mails out of 5? aday: you can assign more appropriate chars to it something's either important or it isn't think of importance aday: software stores also use star ratings to show popularity tbf, true --> en (~en@117.192.203.108) has joined #gnome-design aday: about star rating broken in music apps. would say it's only broken if the user has to assign stars himself... ...instead of the app figuring out itself tbf: yeah i'd agree with that --> Cimi (~cimi@91.189.88.12) has joined #gnome-design tbf: would maybe need convincing they're useful for deciding what to play tbf: the software store case is clearer yup. software store, user themes, and background images... tbf, would make sense if we want more web content focused apps --- fcrozat is now known as fcrozat|gone <-- mclasen has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) andreasn, you around? mccann, jimmac, nedrichards, i did some more experiments with the window picker layout earlier (just tweaking the current design) <-- stfacc has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5031519/window-picker/rules.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5031519/window-picker/2-windows.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5031519/window-picker/6-windows.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5031519/window-picker/10-windows.png <-- Cimi has quit (Leaving) --> foser (~foser@5ED187EF.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #gnome-design let me know if you have any thoughts hey jimmac - just back from lunch aday: seems pretty nice aday: should "top align" read "bottom align"? <-- psychoslave has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> mclasen (~mclasen@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to mclasen fmuellner, i'll clarify that. the thumbs are bottom aligned in the row but the row itself should be pushed up --> marina (~marina@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design tbf, does the widget support half-stars? aday: ah, I see <-- foser has quit (Remote closed the connection) fmuellner, "don't vertically spread out the rows" would be another way of putting it <-- hadess has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> larsu_ (~lars@16.159.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #gnome-design <-- fmuellner has quit (Leaving) owen_ has quit (Leaving) larsu has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- larsu_ is now known as larsu aday: that's pretty cool. i'm not totally clear why files is centre alignined in the 6 windows example - but it does look nicer ;-) aside from that, deals well with my two favourite apps empathy buddy list and calculator oh that reminds me, nedrichards we should probably try to get together again to talk about Chat mccann: we totally should or maybe we don't need to wait what do you think about what's on the wiki now? mccann: we do right now, as I'm about to head out - but i can tell you - we are broadly in favour of Chat you and? nedrichards: yeah the we part has been the most confusing part for me mccann: oh right, well as usual i speak only for myself - but in this case I mean other members of the Intel design team who've either worked on telepathy based UIs before or are working on them I see. Yeah I think for Chat we really want to move that process here. and not have it done outside gnome mccann: although, in private conversations I've had with empathy maintainers and other telepathy folks they've been very positive as well --> owen (~otaylor@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design mccann: well, for things that relate to gnome, obviously. and chat is a gnome application. however empathy as is does have consumers outside gnome. i guess that is a problem and those don't appear to be going away that's basically a deal breaker I guess --> albertt (~albert@S01060023691666c4.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome-design and that's a shame a deal breaker in what way? core apps are designed specifically for the os do not have an external identity <-- en has quit (Leaving) that is one of the principle differences otherwise it may as well just be pidgin I don't think that necessarily has to be true so long as the integration points are coordinated and the same I mean, that's sort of the point of telepathy, mission control etc. as far as I'm aware --> en (~en@117.192.203.108) has joined #gnome-design I'm afraid is the very definition of core app that's what makes it different from regular old app it has a number of effects on the design as well most obviously in the name the name is not an issue for me --- ebassi is now known as ebassi_afk nor is branding around the app itself so I guess to the extent that empathy must be designed for use outside gnome then we will need something else for Chat ok then, but i don't see the deal breaker bit. deal breaker as in, if we have some design contributions we can't work on it because we also work on a 'competing' desktop? as in the design must be for gnome ok mccann: ah, well that's up to the empathy maintainers - if they want to adopt the chat stuff, or turn it into chat then they'll have to speak for themselves. every conversation i've had with hackers who work on it about that has appeared positive (as in, they appear to want to do it) I suppose it may make sense to let empathy evolve into whatever you want for your os and start something else for gnome mccann: given that we basically want it to be chat, that would be sad. --> deadalnix (~deadalnix@81-65-159-91.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #gnome-design <-- en has quit (Remote closed the connection) if you are fine with the design of chat taking place in the gnome project and targetting gnome first I don't see any problems :) absolutely. to me it's an upstream project (as empathy is) but we can't have gnome core apps being designed outside the project and the design prioritization being not-gnome basically the we must change to we=gnome --> en (~en@117.192.203.108) has joined #gnome-design <-- bognarandras has quit (Live long and prosper!) however, there will be a couple of things, i.e. entry points to the app that should not conflict and that should be needed by existing gnome integration that we would need as well i.e. Contacts needs the ability to open chat in a specific conversation --- shorlander-away is now known as shorlander I don't see a problem with that theoretically another 3rd party application may also want to use that capability the chat app is based around the concept of conversations <-- shorlander has quit (Bye!) mccann: yup, it is very much in tune with my thinking on these matters specifically, I would like to see us iterate on the Chat designs on the gnome wiki and target gnome 3 and we've spent a while behind the scenes to try and get things like tp-logger to be able to do infinite conversation history scroll for example cool hopefully a device independent history mccann: there are issues there - google don't expose their history api --> elad (~elad@93-173-175-208.bb.netvision.net.il) has joined #gnome-design but for what we can get, it works yeah there's a bug open :) i saw it ;-) mccann: my current biggest bit o'pain is trying to line up GOA's OAuth 2 and Empathy/Chat's accounts to do MSNs new XMPP however, i believe patches are totally available so what might be useful is if you can go through the ideas on the wiki and write down where you think we aren't aligned i can do this write on the wiki --> emcken (~je@x1-6-c0-3f-0e-f8-01-dc.k847.webspeed.dk) has joined #gnome-design basically at this point we either need to merge or fork :) and trying our best to merge first makes sense to me mccann: absolutely mccann: I now have to run - it's christmas party season have a good day <-- nedrichards has quit (nedrichards) you too. thanks! oops <-- en has quit (Leaving) --> walters (~walters@conductor.verbum.org) has joined #gnome-design gpoo (~gpoo@p200-133.vpool.uvic.ca) has joined #gnome-design <-- gpoo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> gpoo (~gpoo@p200-133.vpool.uvic.ca) has joined #gnome-design <-- mccann has quit (Later) larsu has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> clarkbw (~clarkbw@184.71.166.126) has joined #gnome-design <-- tacg has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) twoerner has quit (Client exiting) weld1 has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> weld (~weld@p57A8515A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- cosimoc has quit (Leaving) mclasen has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) magcius: so far not magcius: seems unicode also doesn't have a half-star? magcius: hmm.... ●●◐○○ no stars.... but heh you could just draw half a filled star and half a non-filled star I don't know if the widget does anything like that already magcius: this assume U+2605 and U+2606 overlapping perfectly Just draw the star yourself -- it's not that hard. I believe there's a star method in the cairo cookbook, even <-- aday has quit (Ex-Chat) elad has quit (why does everyone have an original and funny quit message and I don't?) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design tbf, http://fpaste.org/LObC/ --> tacg (~tiago@bl19-179-146.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #gnome-design magcius: nice. thank you. <-- m_221 (~meg@99-114-194-158.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has left #gnome-design --> Cimi (~cimi@host-2-102-202-179.as13285.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- Cimi has quit (Leaving) --> mccann (~jmccann@c-76-24-221-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to mccann bebot gives channel operator status to mccann <-- tacg has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design mclasen has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design badshah400_ (~badshah@210.212.50.14) has joined #gnome-design <-- badshah400 has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) c-a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> c-a (~c-a@h-90-6.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design <-- c-a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> c-a (~c-a@h-90-6.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design <-- c-a has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> c-a_ (~c-a@h-90-6.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design <-- mccann has quit (Later) --> alex (~alex@nat-pool-arn-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to alex --> felipeerias (~femorande@ip242-7-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner (~fmuellner@217.Red-217-125-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design --- mclasen is now known as mclasen_afk --> giallu (~giallu@88.149.249.12) has joined #gnome-design <-- emcken has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) davidz has quit (What's worth doing is worth doing for money.) --> tacg (~tiago@bl19-179-146.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #gnome-design --- mclasen_afk is now known as mclasen_really_afk_now <-- thorwil has quit (Leaving) --> nacho (~nacho@188.84.37.99) has joined #gnome-design magcius: hah... pango_cairo_layout_path() don't you dare <-- jesmon has quit (Remote closed the connection) magcius, uh, pong sorry for the delay andreasn, can you help me come up with a sorting and filtering UI for EGO, if you wouldn't mind? sure I really want to have search there! so what do you have in mind? yeah, not sure how to do search yet well I'm imagining two comboboxes Sort by: Name, Most Downloads, Most Recent Filter by: Current GNOME Shell Version, GNOME Shell 3.2, GNOME Shell 3.2.1 I want to introduce categories a little bit later. how do you see the second combo box being used? for search it might make sense to just make it a filter with results showing up in realtime and make it obvious that you are currently in the search mode I'll try and come up with some mockups shall I open a bug about it? sure I'm not seeing search being done in the near future magcius: http://paste.ubuntu.com/771610/ or, if it is, it would be done through Google, where we don't quite have this sort of thing magcius: wouldn't one also assign stars to photos? think i've seen something like that in shotwell magcius, so I don't understand the combobox with current/3.2/3.2.1 andreasn, what version(s) a shell extension works with is an attribute of the shell extension andreasn, this way, users can filter for shell extensions that only support version A. the "current" is whatever version of the shell you're running isn't that the only one that would be useful? Is it that interesting to see extensions that won't work? I wonder how mozilla does this <-- c-a_ has quit (Ex-Chat) andreasn, imagine a case where two users are trying to share their favorite extensions, but have different shell versions "hey man, check out the dock extension" -- "what I don't see it" --> c-a (~c-a@h-90-6.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design so it's a way to hide incompatible addons basically because now we show them <-- jryan has quit ((bye)) magcius: is it really useful to filter for an unsupported version? a "Include extensions not compatible with my GNOME Shell version" would make more sense to me fmuellner, like a checkbox? I think that makes sense yeah --> vish (~vish@pool-96-239-36-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen_really_afk_now has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) seiflotfy has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> seif (~seiflotfy@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design andyfitz (~andyfitz@66.187.239.11) has joined #gnome-design seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design <-- nacho has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> andreasn_ (~andreasn@h-35-39.a336.corp.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner: to show an actor i have to first add it to a stage right? <-- seif has quit (Leaving) seiflotfy: yes (don't add it directly though, use Main.uiGroup or Main.layoutManager.addChrome()) fmuellner: thanks <-- jrb has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> fmuellner_ (~fmuellner@217.Red-217-125-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design vagvaz (~vagvaz@printer2.intelligence.tuc.gr) has joined #gnome-design fmuellner, yeah, that probably makes more sense <-- fmuellner has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) kkris has quit (Leaving.) --> mclasen_really_afk_now (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design --- mclasen_really_afk_now is now known as mclasen <-- felipeerias has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> stfacc (~stefano@147.213.117.99) has joined #gnome-design mib_41az63 (57ce08f8@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- andyfitz has quit (andyfitz) mib_41az63 has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) --> andyfitz (~andyfitz@66.187.239.11) has joined #gnome-design weld1 (~weld@p57A8515A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- alex has quit (Leaving) weld has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) andreasn has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) c-a has quit (Ex-Chat) fmuellner_: how do i get the postion of a widget on the monitor not on its parent stage stageX - monitorX should work, right? i am trying to get the postion of a dashitem on the monitor so i can attach the tooltip to it monitorX being ? i already get the dahsitem's postion to its stage <-- seiflotfy has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> seif (~seiflotfy@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design monitorX == the horizontal position of the monitor which displays the dash (e.g. the primary monitor) but do you actually need that? <-- seif has quit (Leaving) --> seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld1 has quit (Remote closed the connection) walters has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) tbf has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --> weld (~weld@p57A8515A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- stfacc has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) weld has quit (Remote closed the connection) vish has quit (Screw you guys… I'm going home! ☛(Cartman)☛) --> weld (~weld@p57A8515A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design vish (~vish@pool-96-239-36-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- vagvaz has quit (Remote closed the connection) giallu has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) seiflotfy has quit (Leaving.) --> AfC (foobar@gateway.syd.operationaldynamics.com) has joined #gnome-design seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design <-- andreasn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> cosimoc (~cosimoc@adsl-ull-147-98.40-151.net24.it) has joined #gnome-design felipeerias (~femorande@ip242-7-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #gnome-design <-- felipeerias has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) deadalnix has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) cosimoc has quit (Leaving) --> vdepizzol (~vinicius@177.17.21.35) has joined #gnome-design <-- nitalynx has quit (Leaving.) --> lapo (~lapo@host111-80-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design mofux_ (~quassel@p5DDAB928.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- andyfitz has quit (Remote closed the connection) mofux has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> You are now talking on #gnome-design --- Topic for #gnome-design is doing GNOME design Topic for #gnome-design set by mccann at Wed Nov 23 16:13:35 2011 bebot gives channel operator status to jimmac aday: ping? hey alex aday: did you move the link and calendar buttons? aday: Also, what should i do with e.g. the email button if there is no email address? Hide or insensitive? alex, yes they moved. let me double check what happened there <-- nitalynx has quit (Leaving.) --> clem-l (~clem@86.47.69.115) has joined #gnome-design <-- albertt has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) alex, for the buttons - hide call, make mail/chat insensitive i think ok there will be a lot of contacts that don't have numbers having an insensitive button there all the time could be a bit annoying --> calum (~calum@inet-emmc01-o.oracle.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design but i think you need mail and chat next to each other to understand them alex, i think the web/calendar buttons are nicer in their new positions, but they where ok where they where before alex, can be something for the future aday: The new position is slightly problematic aday: As drawn its always in the same position aday: but thats not gonna happen, or we severely limit the width of the labels However, if we just make it say 8 pixels after the label ends, then its fine alex, i'd probably be happier with the old position than having them misaligned yeah i thought so --> fmuellner (~fmuellner@nat-pool-mad-t.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design hadess (~hadess@94-192-232-89.zone6.bethere.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design patriciasc (~patricias@223.Red-79-145-143.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- elad has quit (why does everyone have an original and funny quit message and I don't?) --> andre_ (~andre@dslb-092-077-131-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- andre has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) gpoo has quit (Trans-Galego Express) dc5ala has quit (Ex-Chat) --> prokoudine_ (~avp@ppp85-141-164-65.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) has joined #gnome-design macmaN (~chezburge@138.167.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) has joined #gnome-design <-- andreasn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design --- ebassi_afk is now known as ebassi Disconnected (). --> You are now talking on #gnome-design --- Topic for #gnome-design is doing GNOME design Topic for #gnome-design set by mccann at Wed Nov 23 16:13:35 2011 bebot gives channel operator status to jimmac <-- hughsie has quit (Remote closed the connection) rodrigo has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> hughsie (~hughsie@78-86-55-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design how many samsung designers does it take to create a tablet? 2. one is drawing and the other is turning the ipad. <-- nacho has quit (Abandonando) --> nacho (~nacho@188.84.37.99) has joined #gnome-design rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design --- cosimoc is now known as cosimoc_lunch\ cosimoc_lunch\ is now known as cosimoc_lunch --> weld (~weld@p57A853A3.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design Paradoxe (~paradoxe@112-198.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #gnome-design jimmac: well, from comments I got from apple fanboys in the office, they could have said that for some parts of gnome3 :( and I didn't had enough data to explain why some stuff looked like what can be seen on a mac Hello everyone. _o/ After a color calibration of my monitor, I have a doubt: In the original theme of Gnome 3.XX, the base color of windows are white, cream or coffee? :P depends how much cream you put in your coffee :) lol Paradoxe, a grey slight moved to green but let me see (me on ambiance) <-- calum has quit (Remote closed the connection) no, pure grey --> calum (~calum@inet-emmc01-o.oracle.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design but the toolbar and few elements are slightly greenish --- calum is now known as calAFK jimmac, did you make any plans for a video chat after i left yesterday? --> AfC (foobar@gateway.syd.operationaldynamics.com) has joined #gnome-design --- hughsie is now known as hughsie-afk-lunch Cimi: thank you --> stfacc (~stefano@fire.quniverse.sk) has joined #gnome-design so, the color calibration fail :( aday, haven't gotten any response from jon aday, but we can still chat :) fcrozat, you mean like the pointer, icons, windows and menus? it does kinda look similar to parc, indeed <-- AfC has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) jimmac: no, stuff like "light" under running apps in the dash, or the "+ / -" for adding backgrounds.. I refrained from mentionning xerox parc :) I wanted to be able to explain we are not just a "copycat" of OS X where all UI new things would come from and everybody else would be "copying" from.. fcrozat, the running spotlight is in mac os? --- calAFK is now known as calumb i must be running some other variant then isn't there something similar in macos to distinguish between started apps and non started apps ? * fcrozat doesn't own/use a mac + for adding something is a truly novel idea, also I guess it was more of a feeling of "oh, this panel really looks like the same panel in OS X" "X did it first" is also a very enjoyable discussion to be had (which reminds me of a lot of the prior art pictures on the wiki seems to be missing ..) if anything, somebody might find a visual similarity to webOS * mclasen thinks Y did it first --> steph (~steph@2a01:e35:2e49:51a0:224:d6ff:fe57:8018) has joined #gnome-design fcrozat, the running apps are indicated with a dot, yes goodbye _o/ <-- Paradoxe (~paradoxe@112-198.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch) has left #gnome-design --- mclasen is now known as mclasen_afk --> darkmatter (~darkmatte@68-69-197-183.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #gnome-design lapo (~lapo@host111-80-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design --- fmuellner is now known as fmuellner|lunch <-- rodrigo has quit (Leaving) mclasen_afk has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --- calumb is now known as calLNCH --> mclasen_afk (~mclasen@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to mclasen_afk mclasen_afk is now known as mclasen <-- jrb has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) jimmac, let's see if we can collar mccann later :) rtcm, ping <-- weld has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) lapo: hey --> jesmon (~user@static-71-244-114-122.albyny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design * rtcm is currently debugging progressbars inside treeviews not being selected --> jrb (~jrb@static-71-174-236-21.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design --- cosimoc_lunch is now known as cosimoc --> rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design prokoudine__ (~avp@ppp85-141-131-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) has joined #gnome-design rtcm, pull latest gnome-themes-standard <-- prokoudine_ has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) larsu has quit (Ex-Chat) jimmac: sent you some tablet design notes - is jsteiner @ rh the best email to use for that, or do you want it somewhere else ? it's fine. i don't check it as often as jimmac on gmail though well, you know you have something waiting for you there, now :-) rtcm, woot, you've got a branch with your fixes now, nice, anything new from the patches I have? * jimmac is already reading through lapo, hey hey! jimmac, heya --> davidz (~davidz@c-24-61-80-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design lapo, we need to assemble a widget "factory" and make sure it's up to date. I am tired of diving through existing mockups to get up to date widgets jimmac, wtf yeah jimmac, we'd need a bigger widget factory with more stuff inside tho i am speaking strictly about inkscae/mockups not teh actual widget playground jimmac, somebody stepped and volunteered for that, don't remember who tho :-/ lapo: yeah, I'm doing the fixes in a branch now but I don't have anything better than what I sent you yet these pesky cellrenderers are quite a chalenge :-P --> weld (~weld@p57A846AF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design --- calLNCH is now known as calumb rtcm, checks and radios not changing when not inside a treeview is a bug or some selectors mess? lapo: probably a bug lapo: can you join the naming discussion in gtk+ ? yup --- hughsie-afk-lunch is now known as hughsie <-- weld has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --- hughsie is now known as hughsie-afk mclasen, replied mclasen, will plug the holes in the design <-- cosimoc has quit (Leaving) --> vagvaz (~vagvaz@printer2.intelligence.tuc.gr) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> dneary (~dneary@mne69-h01-31-33-19-101.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) has joined #gnome-design mclasen (~mclasen@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #gnome-design --- _halfbot gives channel operator status to mclasen hughsie-afk is now known as hughsie --> larsu (~lars@16.159.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #gnome-design <-- steph has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) --> walters (~walters@conductor.verbum.org) has joined #gnome-design <-- emcken has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) vish has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --> vish (~vish@pool-96-239-36-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- lapo has quit (Ex-Chat) --> weld (~weld@p57A846AF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design steph (~steph@2a01:e35:2e49:51a0:224:d6ff:fe57:8018) has joined #gnome-design <-- rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has left #gnome-design --> rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- rodrigo (~rodrigo@211.Red-80-59-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has left #gnome-design mpt has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> mpt (~mpt@91.189.88.12) has joined #gnome-design _ke (~dgsiegel@mnch-5d873630.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #gnome-design hooray, nice looking tabs when moving them! --> elia (~elia@host226-206-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design marina (~marina@pool-74-104-158-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design kkris (~kris@80-123-45-172.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #gnome-design --- fmuellner|lunch is now known as fmuellner <-- en has quit (Leaving) _ke has quit (umount /mnt/me) --> owen (~otaylor@pool-74-104-158-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design en_ (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design <-- giallu has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) steph has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) nirbheek has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> steph (~steph@2a01:e35:2e49:51a0:224:d6ff:fe57:8018) has joined #gnome-design gogo (~gogo@out-traffic.dcc.fc.up.pt) has joined #gnome-design <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --- fcrozat is now known as fcrozat|gone --> nirbheek (~nirbheek@117.197.147.247) has joined #gnome-design --- alex is now known as alex_away <-- vagvaz has quit (Leaving.) --> clarkbw (~clarkbw@S0106586d8f314b06.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome-design --- bebot gives channel operator status to clarkbw _halfbot gives channel operator status to clarkbw --> m_22 (~meg@99-114-194-158.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #gnome-design hey guys any1 here got gnome-shell running on a tablet ? * Loaded log from Fri Dec 16 18:22:28 2011 --> You are now talking on #gnome-design --- Topic for #gnome-design is doing GNOME design Topic for #gnome-design set by mccann at Wed Nov 23 16:13:35 2011 bebot gives channel operator status to jimmac <-- larsu has quit (Ex-Chat) en_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design seiflotfy, the other ones you won't be able to find 3d drivers for <-- stfacc has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) walters has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) hadess: what about touchpad ? <-- fmuellner has quit (Leaving) seiflotfy, tell me where you find those 3d drivers then.. wetab it is then :) it's pretty crap, but it'll work --> en_ (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design <-- en_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) if you manage to find another tablet with 3d drivers available, let me know hadess: will do <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) weld has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design weld (~weld@p57A846AF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- calumb has quit (Leaving) --> machina (~nanley@c-24-60-181-237.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design Hi everyone, I made a suggestion for GNOME Shell to use labeled workspaces on the list. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-December/msg00208.html what do you guys think? <-- Cimi has quit (Remote closed the connection) machina, i saw your post earlier in the week. it's an interesting idea, but i'm unsure what the problem is that you are trying to solve --> albertt (~albert@S01060023691666c4.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- en has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) aday, the problem I'm trying to solve is the time users lose in between switching activities (workspaces), or even working working with multiple workspaces in general machina, why are they losing time? aday, I haven't done any usuability tests to back that claim up, but from my experience of using workspaces in GNOME shell. Things get difficult w/ multiple workspaces. This is mainly due to the fact that our workspace stack has a small size. It is difficult to distinguish what activities are in each workspace so when switching from one workspace to another, a user may have to spend time inspecting what's occuring in each workspace to see if they're moving to the right one ...or if they're adding an application to the correct one seems there are two cases there - switching with the overview and without I have analyzed the second case as well in another blog post (http://nanley.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/labeled-workspace-improvements/) machina, i've got to run i'm afraid. we can take this up another time if you want though <-- aday has quit (Ex-Chat) aday, sure that'd be great <-- nacho has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) hughsie has quit (Leaving) --> vagvaz (~vagvaz@w14.softnet.tuc.gr) has joined #gnome-design <-- patriciasc has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) --> en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design giallu (~giallu@88.149.249.12) has joined #gnome-design mofux (~quassel@p5DDAB928.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design kanishka (~perl@117.199.241.123) has joined #gnome-design <-- kanishka (~perl@117.199.241.123) has left #gnome-design en has quit (Leaving) --> kanishka (~perl@117.199.241.123) has joined #gnome-design <-- clarkbw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) kanishka (~perl@117.199.241.123) has left #gnome-design --> kanishka (~perl@117.199.241.123) has joined #gnome-design clarkbw (~clarkbw@S0106586d8f314b06.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome-design --- bebot gives channel operator status to clarkbw _halfbot gives channel operator status to clarkbw --> nacho (~nacho@188.84.37.99) has joined #gnome-design <-- gogo has quit (Saindo) --- ebassi is now known as ebassi_afk <-- giallu has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) kanishka has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) elia has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> giallu (~giallu@88.149.249.12) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> kanishka (~perl@117.199.242.2) has joined #gnome-design <-- giallu has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) dneary has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> dneary (~dneary@mne69-h01-31-33-19-101.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) has joined #gnome-design guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- kkris has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) dneary has quit (Ex-Chat) --> gpoo (~gpoo@p200-145.vpool.uvic.ca) has joined #gnome-design <-- gpoo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> gpoo (~gpoo@p200-145.vpool.uvic.ca) has joined #gnome-design stfacc (~stefano@147.213.117.99) has joined #gnome-design <-- seiflotfy has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) clarkbw has quit (clarkbw) --> seif (~seiflotfy@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design <-- seif has quit (Leaving) --> seif (~seiflotfy@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design <-- seif has quit (Leaving) --> kkris (~kris@80-123-34-180.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #gnome-design <-- steph has quit (Leaving) guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design machina has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) --> machina (~nanley@c-24-60-181-237.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> larsu (~lars@220.243.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #gnome-design en (~en@117.192.220.147) has joined #gnome-design weld (~weld@p57A846AF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- gpoo has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) m_22 (~meg@99-114-194-158.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has left #gnome-design stormer has quit (Coyote finally caught me) --> seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design stormer (nicolas@pasanda.collabora.co.uk) has joined #gnome-design gpoo (~gpoo@printer.segal.uvic.ca) has joined #gnome-design <-- thorwil has quit (Leaving) kanishka has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) nirbheek has quit (Connection timed out) --> nirbheek (~nirbheek@117.197.147.247) has joined #gnome-design <-- zeroedout_ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> psychoslave (~psy@lec67-3-82-242-207-96.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #gnome-design bongmaster2 (58993123@ircip2.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome-design ive got a question: is it a bug that widows always get placed in the top left corner? no matter how many terminals i open, all arestacked up in the top left of the screen in compiz there is smart window positioning, is that availiable in mutter too? <-- hadess has quit (poof!) davidz has quit (You're not your job. 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I wont be much on-line until later today * rtcm is with a self inflicted headache --> rhl (~rhl@cohomology.cs.dartmouth.edu) has joined #gnome-design any gedit hacker around ? --> tacg (~tiago@bl16-188-33.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #gnome-design <-- darkmatter has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) thorwil has quit (Leaving) tacg has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design weld (~weld@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- lapo has quit (Ex-Chat) --> AfC (foobar@gateway.syd.operationaldynamics.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design weld has quit (Leaving.) --> weld (~gnomedev@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- AfC (foobar@gateway.syd.operationaldynamics.com) has left #gnome-design --> cosimoc (~cosimoc@adsl-ull-147-98.40-151.net24.it) has joined #gnome-design lapo (~lapo@host192-40-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld (~gnomedev@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has left #gnome-design --> weld (~gnomedev@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (weld) --> weld (~weld@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> weld (~weld@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design tacg (~tiago@bl16-188-33.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #gnome-design prokoudine_ (~avp@ppp85-141-168-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) has joined #gnome-design <-- prokoudine__ has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> nitalynx (~anita@95.68.90.243) has joined #gnome-design <-- cosimoc has quit (Leaving) --> mofux (~quassel@p5DDABEED.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- lapo has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> andreasn (~andreasn@h-35-39.a336.corp.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design cosimoc (~cosimoc@adsl-ull-147-98.40-151.net24.it) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> pbor (~paolo@host222-76-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gnome-design sophiay (~sophia@torland1-this.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.me) has joined #gnome-design <-- sophiay has quit (Leaving) --> lapo (~lapo@31.191.122.49) has joined #gnome-design andre (~andre@85.183.48.167) has joined #gnome-design <-- nacho has quit (Abandonando) --> guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #gnome-design reedlepee (57ce08f8@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- reedlepee has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) rtcm, tabs and combobox fixes in the patch you sent me are not pushed to your gtk+ branch yet, right? pbor, ping lapo: pong pbor, is it possible for gedit to have an extra pane at the side of the notebook? pbor, I mean via extensions or stuff like that lapo: yes ugh press F9 <-- jrb has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) you have the doc list etc yup seen it it's eekish with adwaita :-/ --> peco (~pecoffet@ABordeaux-652-1-120-196.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #gnome-design weld (~weld@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design lapo: screen? lapo: also, on master we set the "sidepane" css class now that it is available * lapo builds --> thorwil (~thorwil@p4FFB69C7.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- badshah400 has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) tacg has quit (Ex-Chat) --> steph (~steph@2a01:e35:2e49:51a0:221:85ff:fe32:ff9f) has joined #gnome-design en (~en@117.192.210.198) has joined #gnome-design badshah400 (~badshah@210.212.50.14) has joined #gnome-design <-- seiflotfy has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) --> seiflotfy (~seif@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:593) has joined #gnome-design weld1 (~weld@p57A82D6B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gnome-design kmaraas (~kmaraas@cm-84.208.199.187.getinternet.no) has joined #gnome-design <-- weld has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --- weld1 is now known as weld <-- kmaraas has quit (Ex-Chat) garrett, ping lapo: yeah, sorry, actually I should push some more patches into the branch but I got sidetracked in real life™ rtcm, no probs, don't worry, is yor headache getting better? <-- guillemin (~guillemin@50.233.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has left #gnome-design lapo: oh, it actually went away pretty fast, thanks :-) lapo: I found a problem with adwaita's css the progressbars inside a treeview weren't working right because the treeview theming stuff comes after in the file so, in general it might be better to move stuff that's usually contained in other things later in the file <-- badshah400 has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> badshah400 (~badshah@210.212.50.14) has joined #gnome-design lapo: I've pushed some more patches into the branch but it still doesn't have everything the big patch had though I'll keep on working on it <-- andreasn has quit (Ex-Chat) rtcm, cool thanks --> deadalnix (~deadalnix@81-65-159-91.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #gnome-design Cimi (~cimi@host-2-102-202-179.as13285.net) has joined #gnome-design bognarandras (~ba@catv-86-101-169-237.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #gnome-design andreasn (~andreasn@h-35-39.a336.corp.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design kkris1 (~kris@93-82-35-32.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #gnome-design <-- en has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) peco has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) kkris has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) --> nacho (~nacho@188.84.37.99) has joined #gnome-design <-- lapo has quit (Remote closed the connection) Cimi has quit (Leaving) mofux has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> albertt (~albert@S01060023691666c4.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- bognarandras has quit (Live long and prosper!) --> owen (~otaylor@18.111.20.104) has joined #gnome-design <-- c-a has quit (Ex-Chat) --> c-a (~c-a@h-90-6.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #gnome-design darkmatter (~darkmatte@68-69-197-183.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #gnome-design jade (~jade@89-253-91-16.customers.ownit.se) has joined #gnome-design Cimi (~cimi@host-2-102-202-179.as13285.net) has joined #gnome-design mib9573853 (57ce08f8@ircip1.mibbit.com) has joined #gnome-design <-- mib9573853 has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Leaving) Cimi has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) --> mclasen (~mclasen@c-98-229-97-230.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design machina (~nanley@c-24-60-181-237.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- thorwil has quit (Leaving) owen has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) RainCT has quit (Remote closed the connection) machina has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> jrb (~jrb@static-71-174-236-21.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #gnome-design <-- mclasen has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) andreasn, did you ever get around to making a sorting/filtering UI? 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fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 --> desrt (~desrt@spadina.desrt.ca) has joined #gnome-design fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 fuck gnome 3 ah! so this is where the fun went Polyhead: if you're looking for something to do on a saturday night, you could help us to make gnome better desrt: that's optimistic! I operate your mom's pussy does that count? I tried that but I coudln't deal with the moronic politics when gnome started removing features because "it could confuse some users" I knew it was over for gnome. when you start dumbing a UI down just so people won't bother themselves, it's fucking over. not even windows is as dumbed down as gnome is now. You say I could try to help make it better, but the fact is you aren't willing to listen. For example, having the volume control move both pcm and master volume via one control and leaving no easy way to disable that action. that's bullshit if I wanted the pcm audio level changed, I would fucking change it. now, in the past, this was a non issue because it was very easy to select. in the past such a feature would have been optional also, having the shit pile that is pulseaudio shoved up your ass is bullshit with evolution, you can't get rid of it if this were windows, and it tied in outlook like gnome now ties in evolution, there would be an antitrust case over it. it's bullshit with the lastest version of 2.x I can't even manually select sylpheed that's, bullshit the only thing offered are some very useless pull downs and no manual setting anymore I'm waiting for a responce So how exactly am I suppose to help there? You can't help anything when it's being chosen to REMOVE features. what happen to the multimedia config util? now I can't easily and graphically configure what gnome uses for various outputs that worked well sometimes you wanted XV, sometimes GL was a better option sometimes selecting GL was a good way to see if the GART driver was worth a shit. desrt, you want me to help make it better? how in the hell can I do that when there are 20 people that continually choose to fucking ruin it? See, now I get ignored so instead Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 we got your point Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 desrt, use your powers Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 i'm more curious than anything else Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 this guy is kinda interesting Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 he's a furry Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 who got banned from the furry irc network for excessive bad behaviour there Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 those green dots in XChat are ops, right? Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 yup Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 halfline, jimmac hi Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 why am I watching this go on Fuck Gnome 3 Polyhead, disable flat-volumes in PulseAudio to change that behavior Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 * steph back to work Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 for reference: http://www.pridelands.org/~simba/drama/dects_PetitionToRemovePolybun.html Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 not nearly as optimistic as thinking gnome will survive a fork or this latest incarnation You've got every long time gnome user telling you they fucking hate it and you respond by sticking your head up your fucking ass Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 magcius: indeed Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 desrt, I love internet drama :swoon: Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 magcius: it reminds me of the old days on efnet Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 except that the trolls were actually semi-effective back then Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 desrt, see, it's only mildly irritating to having a conversation Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 you had to have half a dozen bots on servers with reasonable network diversity in order to survive a good attack Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 this is just sad :( Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 as long as it makes him feel better, i'm fine with it:) Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Polyhead: i wonder: do you feel entitled to having free software available on exactly the terms that you dictate? Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 Fuck Gnome 3 I don't think you have. I don't think you get it at all see If I wanted a fucking tablet, I would go fucking buy one. but I don't because I fuckin' hate 'em phh, I wish preferebly a 1965 hard top just one of them and, bad behavior is turning in dog fuckers and getting them jailed jesus christ learn to use irc before you fucking speak you fucking moron that's what I'm on about what the hell happened to the developers? most of them can't even fucking use irc now! fuck desrt , you can't even manage to make a ban stick even the furry networks worked that one out. magcius, via what gui? here is a better idea don't use pulseaudio we have alsa fucking use it! magcius, lets put it that way can you disable that via the sound preferences? the answer is no you can't shit design what you have with the audio prefs util is a compleatly fucking useless gui it can't even properly adjust also audio levels anymore! you know on windows, you would be able to right select the card, and bring up a prefs screen for the card, and the mixer for that card or mac os even instead you have to use the command line alsamixer app that's, bullshit haha Go ahead, use the fact that I drove some people up the fucking wall use that as an excuse NOT to fix piss poor design ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 no I don't however, I don't see why intelligent UI design can't be done anymore because the system is not intelligent at this point. and then you guys pat yourselves on the back and pretend all is well magcius still hasn't replied with exactly how you go about changing pulseaudios behavior how about you take a shot at explaining what that isn't in the sound prefs util? phew you stopped talking why, not what Polyhead: do you realise that you're being throttled by the server to such an extent that every message you send is insanely lagged? I don't It's not like I can see my own lag you're doing better now that you've stopped talking Polyhead, you do realize that desrt isn't an ircop Polyhead, and can't do a network ban he would if he was, though He wouldn't be able to make it stick <-- steph has quit (Quitte) Polyhead: so you got dog-fuckers jailed? Polyhead, so, to address your individual complaints, evolution isn't required at all. evolution-data-server is required. Which isn't evolution. evolution-data-server is a calendering and email API magcius: even thunderbird is using evolution-data-server these days, on ubuntu We use it to fetch events from Google Apps or another calendering source and stick it in the top panel Polyhead, I'm not sure of the rationale behind flat-volumes. I turn it off myself. Polyhead, I'll ask Lennart in the morning. magcius: i'm quite fond of it i used to do it back in the day... long before gnome ever added the feature The email prefs util does not show a manual setting anymore. And on my machine, only has a drop down for evolution. Yes I can use the config editor and change that, but I shouldn't have too. I didn't use to have too, just last year you could input that manually from the prefered applications prefs util. Now you can't desrt, I guess you get used to it after a while. the problem with sound is that the jump from 90% to 100% volume is quite small Polyhead, huh, that shouldn't be happening but from 0% to 10% is huge so if you tie the pcm and master channels together and change both at once, you effectively square the changes so you go from 0 to 10% or 10% = 1% desrt, well right, % is a terrible to represent sound Here is the problem with flat volume. On my particular sound card PCM goes above 0db. And when you do, it begins clipping. The easy fix, don't put the pcm above 0db then to 20% of 20% = 4% and so on... which is a nicer curve percent is terrible, It would be much nicer to have it represented in DB Polyhead, ah, there are some bugs in the ALSA drivers where they don't recognize 100% as 100% Polyhead, and yes, I would like an audio utility that represented the logarithmic scale that sound naturally is it's not really a bug, it's that the PCM module on the card does allow for some gain at that stage, and it won't always distort, only if something is recorded at a very low level does it not distort however. Polyhead, no, the GNOME UI should never let you push volume up past 100% it's not past 100%$ magcius: well, it does :) it's just that 100% is not 0db Polyhead, right, that's the bug in ALSA 70% is 0db, 100% is 4db desrt, no, it doesn't desrt, the change in g-c-c and g-s was reverted due to designer request magcius: if you go into the sound preferences dialog you can increase the volume past 100% Unless I'm misremembering things Polyhead: we've had similar problems with things like wireless network cards in the past each driver/device presents a number Huh, it doesn't look like the patch for g-c-c ever got it got in http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/02/national/main5056419.shtml <--- the sick fuck I vanned and it means something different all the time There are lots of PCI IDs in the kernel drivers. We've seen cards that blatantly lie about basic things Either way, this is something that should be EASILY configured in the sound prefs util. That utility has 6 tabs, the hardware is represented graphically on two of them, and yet offers no real prefs for sound at all! Polyhead, flat-volumes, you mean? Polyhead, yeah, there should be an easy way to turn it off Windows 7 had the same issues Polyhead: gnome (and lennart in particular) takes the approach that workarounds are bad and microsoft fixed that in 3 days and made it a single click to fix if you need a special preference to disable some feature because a particular piece of hardware is working badly with it because of a broken driver, then that's a problem and the only way to fix that problem is to fix the driver But still, your ALSA driver should have the correct bug fix adding the ability to do the workaround makes the problem less painful and removes the motivation to fix it properly Please file a bug with ALSA saying that 0db should be 100%. Now I realise hardware manufacturors suck. I did work for the pegasus, where were flat out lied too about the dma capabilities of the articia chipset. specifically being, it couldn't actually do pci-pci dma 0db shouldn't be 100% 100% means "the highest volume you can go without distortion". 100% should be the full capability of the card No, that's 150% or 125% or something like that 100% means the highest volume available with no distortion So, that's a bug in ALSA because, there will be someone somewhere that wants that extra gain, and now you have to fix an entire group of utils that fully expect to never see over %100 Not true -- the PulseAudio API doesn't actually deal with percents at all IIRC, it has a set of macros to help you convert between % and dB the other point is that pulseaudio and alsa both know that 100% is positive DB it shows the db right there in the alsamixer command line app and pulse audio knows when it's hit oh let me load the app it shows a point marked "unamplified" so it knows when it has hit 0db however it allows you ton continue far beyond "unamplified" even though I have selected on them output tab that I am using an analog output feeding into an amplifier. hadess wrote that code That means I must be looking for a line level output, and it should, therefore, stop at 0db Now, not that the alsa mixer is any more intelligent but the alsa mixer is wonderfully ignorant and just does what I tell it to do and what I tell it to do is never change the pcm level, and adjust levels via master volume. All the apps, mplayer, xine, audacious, etc, and call be adjusted to ONLY change the master volume as well. and at one time, gnome could be configured to do the same although you kind of still can by using the old volume control applet that's another complaint, there are two volume control applets that could be gentoo once again not cleaning up after itself properly. <-- weld has quit (Leaving.) Yeah, the one true applet is in g-c-c magcius: he is just spamming (check what he wrote on #gtk+) zeenix, I was true to my feelings there, I just had to say it about 500 times to express the true depth of my emotional experience with gnome 3 doesn't matter anyway, these are all problems that can be solved I don't think they will be. I mean, gnome use to be fully configurable. It has less options today than it had 10 years ago. we have less people than we had 10 years ago So? It's not a matter of man power, it's a matter of specifically choosing to remove options. it is a question of man power maintainership of modules is work So? You know why there are less people?